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September 19, 2024 Bible Study — God Has a Plan

Today, I am reading and commenting on Daniel 11-12.

This is a difficult passage to read and understand.  It begins by describing the rise of Alexander the Great and the division of the empire he built into four parts.  Part of what makes it hard to follow is that it glosses over historical events in ways which make it hard to know where in the historical timeline the parts of this vision are.  For example: at the beginning it talks about a king arising in Persia who will “stir up everyone against the kingdom of Greece.”  Now there are two issues here.  The Persian king who first invaded Greece was Darius, but the passage appears to be referencing his son Xerxes.  The second issue is that Greece was not a single kingdom at that time, but rather an amalgam of city-states.  I will discuss why that is not the problem some would make it out to be in a moment.  It follows talking about the Persian king who stirred people up against Greece by mentioning a king who will arise and do as he pleases.  The fact that it then tells us that after the death of this king his kingdom would be split among four kings suggests that it is referring to Alexander the Great.  Now if you read this passage and did not know history, you might think that king was instead a Persian king.  I use the above as an example of how the writer glosses over details of history in a way which those who know the history in detail will find problematic, but which convey the flow of that history.  As we read this passage we get a feel for the way in which the land of Israel, and the people who lived there, got caught in the battles between the Seleucid Dynasty in Persia and the Ptolemaic Dynasty in Egypt.  This vision was not intended to give a detailed account of the future.  It was intended to remind those who lived through those troubling times that God had a plan for that future and that events would turn out according to what He had ordained.

I use the daily Bible reading schedule from “The Bible.net” for my daily Bible reading.

September 19, 2023 Bible Study — The Wise Will Instruct Many

Today, I am reading and commenting on Daniel 11-12.

At some point I may spend some time learning about the history of the Seleucid and Ptolemaic dynasties which ruled over the Middle East between Alexander the Great and the Roman Empire, but in the meantime I will look at what I gain from this passage without that.  We learn of a king who will do as he pleases.  We can be warned by the description of this king and his actions.  Some will allow themselves to be corrupted away from serving God by the flattery of the powerful.  Even some who were otherwise wise will be corrupted.  However, those who wisely remain faithful in the face of persecution will provide an example that will inspire many.  They will shine brightly in the darkness and lead others to righteousness.  Some will be impressed by the glory and grandeur of powerful people who oppose God, but those who faithfully serve God will change the world.

I use the daily Bible reading schedule from “The Bible.net” for my daily Bible reading.

September 19, 2022 Bible Study — If You Think You Are Wiser And More Righteous Than Others You Have No Wisdom to Impart To Them

Today, I am reading and commenting on  Daniel 11-12.

My lovely wife married me 22 years ago on the 23rd of this month.  So I am going to wish her Happy Anniversary every day from now until then.

Happy Anniversary, Darling!

When I was young, Christians spent a lot of time trying to interpret the apocalyptic prophecies such as those in this passage in an attempt to determine when Christ would return.  Sometime in the 1990s the Church in the United States got away from doing that.  While I think that is a good thing, as I believe Jesus made it clear that we will not know the date of return until it happens, we have also, for the most part, stopped trying to understand those passages.  That being said, I find it hard to know what to write about today’s passage.  However, the parts where the messenger talks about the end has some messages which we should take to heart.  He tells us that some of the wise will stumble, but they will be purified and made spotless by what they experience.  There will be a time of great distress, but those whose names are found written in the book will be delivered and those among them who have died will be raised to eternal life.  Then comes the part I want to focus on.  The messenger said that those who impart wisdom (the translation notes offer this as an alternative translation to what is translated as “who are wise”) and those who lead others to righteousness will shine brightly among those who are raised to eternal life.  While part of me wants to say that we should strive to impart wisdom and to lead others to righteousness, I have observed that most of the time the people who strive the hardest to do that have neither wisdom nor righteousness.  So, instead let us strive to live with wisdom and move towards righteousness.  Additionally, imparting wisdom and leading to righteousness are so closely related that they are almost the same thing.  We lead others to righteousness, to Christ, by imparting wisdom to them.  But, if we think we can impart wisdom because we are somehow better than those to whom we are imparting it, we lack wisdom and have not been led to righteousness.

I use the daily Bible reading schedule from “The Bible.net” for my daily Bible reading.

September 19, 2021 Bible Study — God Has A Plan

Today, I am reading and commenting on  Daniel 11-12.

The prophecy in chapter 11 looks much like what the people of Maccabean Judea may have understood of world events from the time of Daniel to themselves.  Or to put that another way, it looks somewhat like what happened with the conquest of the Persian Empire by Alexander the Great and the wars between the Seleucid and Ptolemaic kingdoms which followed him, but not quite.  Or, in other words, it sounds like what someone knowledgeable about world affairs living in Judea at the time of the Maccabees might have thought had happened.  I want to state that, considering the degree to which the records left by the people of the time were self-serving (just as the records being left by people today) I am not convinced that it disagrees with actual history by as much as modern historians generally conclude.  This prophecy tells us that powerful rulers will make many plans, but they cannot foresee every eventuality and those unforeseen things will cause their plans to work out differently than they intend.  On the other hand, for God there are no unforeseen eventualities, so His plans always work out as He intended.

Then we have the finale of the Book of Daniel which discusses the main point of the latter half (approximately) of the book. Daniel did not understand (and neither do I) so he asked, “My lord, what will the outcome of all this be?” The answer he received was this: “Many will be purified, made spotless and refined, but the wicked will continue to be wicked. None of the wicked will understand, but those who are wise will understand.”  So, throughout history many things will happen, some good, many terrible, and those who seek God will be purified by these events, will be inspired to do ever more good.  While the wicked will continue to miss the point and not understand that doing God’s will would bring them greater joys than all of the selfish actions they choose instead.

I use the daily Bible reading schedule from “The Bible.net” for my daily Bible reading.

September 19, 2020 Bible Study The Wise Will Shine and Lead Others To Righteousness

I am using the daily Bible reading schedule from “The Bible.net” for my daily Bible reading.

In the year 2000, on the 23rd day of this month, my wife married me.  So here we are on day 16 of the 20 days that I am going to wish her Happy Anniversary for 20 years of marriage.  Happy Anniversary Darling!

Today, I am reading and commenting on Daniel 11-12.

The events outlined in Chapter 11 represent the wars between the Seleucid and Ptolemaic Empires as they would have been perceived by the people living in Judea.  It was a reminder to the Jewish people that God was in control and that these troubling times would come to an end according to His plans.  Then in the summation of this vision in Chapter 12 we learn some things which should both encourage and frighten us.  A time of great anguish will come and only those whose names have been written in the book will be rescued.  In addition, at some point those who are dead and buried will rise up, some for everlasting life, but some for everlasting disgrace.  Let us strive to be among the wise who shine as a beacon to lead others to righteousness.

September 19, 2019 Bible Study

I am using the daily Bible reading schedule from “The Bible.net” for my daily Bible reading.  

Today, I am reading and commenting on Daniel 11-12.

The account which the messenger from yesterday’s passage gave Daniel matches up loosely to the interactions between the Ptolemaic and Seleucid empires.  I have read accounts which state that there are significant discrepancies between the historical record and what is recorded here.  However, every time I have tried to compare this with what happened as historians know it, I get lost in the weeds.  As part of my preparations for writing this I read a blog which compares the passage to history.  It does a good job of showing how this passage matches up with actual history.  I tend to believe that the linked blog reflects the conclusion I would reach from a closer examination because the things I have read which claim this account cannot be reconciled with history also hold that it was written after the events it purports to prophecy.  My personal belief is that there are probably discrepancies between this passage and the historical record which a historian would consider major, but which from the perspective of those living through it would be of no significance.  In fact, that those living through it would consider the historical record to miss the point of what was going on while this passage hit the mark.  

The most important part of this passage comes at the end.  The messenger tells Daniel that those whose names are written in the book will be rescued.  The wise will shine brightly and those who lead others to righteousness will shine like stars.  In troubled times let us seek to be wise and to lead others to righteousness.

September 19, 2018 Bible Study — Will We Be Cleansed, Purified, and Refined?

I am using the daily Bible reading schedule from “The Bible.net” for my daily Bible reading.

Today, I am reading and commenting on Daniel 11-12.

    The second of Daniel’s visions from yesterday’s passage continues in today’s passage. The messenger gives Daniel an account of the rise of Alexander the Great and the interactions between his successors. There are discrepancies between what is predicted here and what the historical record tells us. These discrepancies have led many scholars to conclude that the Book of Daniel was written well after the time when it claims to have been written. I have not made a study of the historical record, but it is worth noting that at least some of that record has been written so as to put certain people in a better light than their actual actions would yield. There are other reasons that scholars believe it to have been written at a later date than the time conveyed in the Book itself. My understanding of the Bible inclines me to believe that the Book of Daniel was written when it purports to have been written, but discovering incontrovertible evidence that this is not so would not shake my faith.

    The writer expresses his own lack of understanding what these visions mean. He is told that their meaning will remain hidden until the end of time and even then only the wise will understand. The messenger tells Daniel that many will be cleansed, purified, and refined by the trials described in his vision. What is interesting about that to me is that those three words more or less mean the same thing. I see two reasons for using all three words in this context. The first reason is to communicate the thoroughness of the process we will go through. The second reason takes advantage of the slightly different connotations of these words. Cleanse tells us that the dirt and wrongness which clings to us from our environment will be removed. Purify tells us that we will no longer generate dirt and wrongness through our actions. Finally, refine tells us that the dirt and wrongness which has become part of us will be extracted from within us. Of course, there will be those who refuse to allow themselves to be cleansed who will continue in their wickedness.

September 19, 2017 Bible Study

I am using the daily Bible reading schedule from “The Bible.net” for my daily Bible reading.

Today, I am reading and commenting on Daniel 11-12.

    The final visions in the Book of Daniel are of the end times. It is unclear to me if these are really two separate visions, or merely two parts of the same vision. In addition, I am unclear how we are intended to take these since the details match up partially with the rise of Alexander the Great and the Hellenistic Empires he created. I am convinced that at least part of the purpose of these visions was to show the Jewish people how God controlled history. The power and might of the various kings was insufficient for them to escape from God’s will. I am sure that to a large degree this passage refers to the ongoing battles between the Ptolemaic Empire and the Seleucid Empire followed by both being conquered by Rome. However, I also believe that the reason they are referred to as the “King of the North” and the “King of the South” is so that we view this passage as more of a description of God working in the world than specific history.

    The key take away from this passage for me is where Daniel says, “The wise will shine like the brightness of heaven, and those who lead others to righteousness like the stars forever and ever” (paraphrased). Then later he says that many will be purified, but the wicked will continue to be wicked. I really believe that if we seek and accept God’s wisdom we will be purified so that we shine before others. If we allow God to work through us He will make us an example so that others will be led to righteousness. However, we need to recognize that some will refuse to leave their wickedness. We are not responsible for those who will not accept God’s word.